jondrums

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    jondrums
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    I quit prone surfing when I started SUP 10 years ago, but my arms are getting back in shape now. Glad to hear its me and not the equipment. Too easy to blame the equipment and then waste a bunch of money. I’m on the GoFoil GL210 or 140 depending on the size of the wave.

    I feel like there must be a middle ground. The SUP is too heavy and long and the prone board might as well not be there. You guys who started with prone are spoiled – Learning to pump a SUP makes the prone board effortless. I’m thinking of a bit longer but still plenty lightweight prone board that paddles into waves earlier.

    jondrums
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    I’ve seen this:
    https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=33902.0

    But I feel this is opposite of what I’m thinking. Mast is joined roughly at the same spot on the fuse and angled forward so new finboxes have to be installed further forward. I was hoping for a mast that joins the fuse a bit further back and angled forward to meet the standard finbox location. That way there is more “steerage” aft instead of upturned tail features. Same mast drag, just make it useful for tracking through turns.

    jondrums
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    No, I haven’t even seen one in person. Seriously considering it as a next board though. A little bit more info here, but I haven’t seen much else. 6-ish kg!
    https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Foiling/KOTC-lead-up-weeks

    jondrums
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    I should mention though that I have absolutely no idea if a canard setup would pump well… I don’t see why not but I don’t fully understand the hydrodynamics of pumping.

    jondrums
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    I think the key to efficiency of a canard setup is that the stabilizer can be in a lifting configuration. All the setups now have a stabilizer which is producing slight downforce in order to make the ride stable. A canard setup with lifting stab could have about the same amount of total drag, but a slightly higher net lift – while still being stable. Higher fundamental lift to drag ratio.

    Agreed that some details need to be figured out about where the mast needs to be and where the main lifting wing is in relation to the feet. But I also think we’ve gotten it a bit wrong with all the setups out there now, the mast is a little too far forward and we need upturned features on the tails to track through turns. That adds drag with no lift benefit and it would probably be better to have the mast a little further back to add tracking. But that would mean everyone’s track boxes would be in the wrong place, so we’re kind of stuck with what we got unless someone makes an angled mast.

    jondrums
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    The E2 boards look amazing and Kalama is getting a lot of volume into pretty short package. I’ve yet to hear anything firsthand about how they run. I’m #205 + wetsuit and I’m currently on a 6’11” 125L and looking to go down to 105-110 and 5’6″-5’8″ on the next one. Every foil board I’ve had (3 now) is shorter than the last and better in every way, which is also what I’m hearing from everyone else who goes shorter.

    Take a look at one ocean boards out of Australia – they have a new design with a hollowed out deck that look like they will paddle way above their volume but still be really light.

    I’m personally nervous about the Freedom Skillet just from build construction. Seems like its kept out of the online chatter, but there have been issues with foilboxes ripping out. Perhaps they are building them stronger now (I heard that). If you aren’t getting out into bigger stuff it probably isn’t an issue though.

    jondrums
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    set a 2 year reminder on your calendar and check back in to see if I’m right…
    I predict canard foils are going to eventually take over. Needs a ton of development but there are people working on it. I’m pretty sure it can be done with higher fundamental lift/drag ratio. Should handle breaching much better too so we can ride a lot higher. Reports from the Zeeko kitefoil crew are that their canard foil surfs better too. CAn’t find any chatter online about their canard supfoil – anyone know about it?

    jondrums
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    if you’re in California, Airwave makes customs. I had him make me one for my foil SUP that has a divider and lash-downs for the foil parts in the other half. I use roof-rack straps to hold all the foil parts in place. The bag is fit to my board, which is cool, except that I’m on my third board since then and the newest is significantly shorter… Pricey, but super nice.

    https://www.airwavesf.com/

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